Emotions Matter. Really!
Chantal Dawtrey and Matthew Green, founders of 5th Place, explore everything about emotions, feelings, and what it is to become and remain mentally healthy and emotionally fit.
Chantal Dawtrey and Matthew Green, founders of 5th Place, explore everything about emotions, feelings, and what it is to become and remain mentally healthy and emotionally fit.
Emotions Matter. Really!
Why do emotions matter? We are Chantal Dawtrey and Matthew Green, founders of 5th Place, where our mission is to make the world a better place by enabling the “how”. In this podcast we explore everything about emotions, feelings, and what it is to become and remain emotionally fit.
We believe that, although our emotions have been made the underdog to our analytical, rational minds, our emotions underpin everything we do and are. Emotions do matter. Emotions separate and connect us, they drive our behaviour and decision making, they allow us to thrive or barely survive.
We want to bring people back to the intelligence of their bodies, to connect to their feelings and, working with the information they offer, take steps to build their emotional fitness and make the world a better place. We want to change the narrative about mental health and emotional wellbeing. By advocating for increased awareness and understanding, we are determined to blow the lid off the taboo, misunderstanding and downright incorrect information about what makes us truly human.
Together we have combined decades of personal journeying, studying, working, research and guidance into our approach and process that we will share with you.
We interrogate the taboo around expressing and talking about emotions and feelings. We talk about all those things we want less of like stress, anxiety and burnout and the things we want more of, like sleep, calm, and self care.
We explore tools, tips and techniques for managing your emotions, including “Shape of Emotion”, the pioneering mind/body model, process and tool that we developed to regulate how you feel. We will examine what it means to be emotionally fit and why this equals a better quality of life.
We also cover stories from society through meaningful conversations with a wide range of people from all walks of life, about their work, their emotional challenges and their strategies to cope. We explore books, movies, stories, research and experiences that tap into what our emotions do for us, and how they could support us better rather than trip us up. And we also have a bit of fun.
Episodes

Oct 25, 2022
The science of smiling
Oct 25, 2022
Oct 25, 2022
23 min
Smiling makes us feel better. It’s a scientific fact. Chantal and Matthew explore the subject and science of smiles, how they make us feel better and how smiling more can support our emotional fitness and mental health.
Music: Corporate Happy (Long) - Daddy’s Music
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join our 5th Place community: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an online free mental health class that builds your emotional fitness.
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want. This will enable us to take our work into places that can't afford it or who have limited access to data and technology.

Oct 18, 2022
Building Emotional Fitness (Pillar 2 - Moving)
Oct 18, 2022
Oct 18, 2022
33 min
After introducing the five pillars of emotional fitness a few weeks ago, Matthew and Chantal delve deeper into the second pillar of Emotional Fitness, Moving. Humans tend to be very sedentary beings when they were built to move! Everyone knows that exercise is important for physical fitness but did you know that movement is vital for ongoing emotional fitness too? This episode explores why.
Music: Swinging Web by SergeQuadrado
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join our 5th Place community: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an online free mental health class that builds your emotional fitness.
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want. This will enable us to take our work into places that can't afford it or who have limited access to data and technology.

Oct 11, 2022
Workplace bullying and what to do about it
Oct 11, 2022
Oct 11, 2022
39 min
Workplace bullying can be difficult to deal with while it has serious long reaching health and wellbeing consequences. It often flies under the radar because of its verbal and psychological tactics. In this podcast, the first of Season 3, Chantal and Matthew explore what workplace bullying can look like, who bullies and who gets bullied and what to do about it.
Music: Summer Surf by AudioCoffee
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join our 5th Place community: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending a FREE Emotional Fitness Class: https://emotionalfitnessclass.com/
Learn more about Shape of Emotion, our tool for emotion regulation, on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want. This will enable us to take our work into places that can't afford it or who have limited access to data and technology.

Sep 20, 2022
Give peace a chance
Sep 20, 2022
Sep 20, 2022
30 min
Who hasn't wanted more peace in their lives? Matthew and Chantal explore how driven to aggression and division we tend to be, and how Hollywood seems to seed a heavily conflict oriented approach to solving problems. The place to start is always with ourselves, finding more peace in ourselves is the first step to finding more peace out in the world.
Music: Motivational Day by AudioCoffee
Links of interest
Imagine - John Lennon & The Plastic Ono Band
Man in the Mirror - Michael Jackson
Give Peace a Chance - John Lennon & The Plastic Ono Band
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join our 5th Place community: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an Emotional Fitness Class: https://emotionalfitnessclass.com/
Learn more about Shape of Emotion, our tool for emotion regulation, on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want. This will enable us to take our work into places that can't afford it or who have limited access to data and technology.

Sep 13, 2022
Building Emotional Fitness (Pillar 1 - Thinking)
Sep 13, 2022
Sep 13, 2022
26 min
After introducing the five pillars of emotional fitness a few weeks ago, Matthew and Chantal delve deeper into the first pillar of Emotional Fitness, Thinking. They explore the pillar and what it means in the context of building emotional fitness and why it is important for our overall wellbeing.
Music: Save Me by Liborio Conti
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join our 5th Place community: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an Emotional Fitness Class: https://emotionalfitnessclass.com/
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want. This will enable us to take our work into places that can't afford it or who have limited access to data and technology.

Sep 6, 2022
Suicide prevention: A personal story
Sep 6, 2022
Sep 6, 2022
49 min
With World Suicide Prevention Day coming up on 10 September, Chantal and Matthew talk about the subject that no-one wants to really talk about - Suicide. A hard subject to deal with but that makes it all the more necessary to face it and talk about it. Matthew shares his lived experience of suicide ideation and attempts and the learning that has come out of that very dark time in his past.
Music: Music by DaddysMusic from Pixabay
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join our 5th Place community: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an Emotional Fitness Class: https://emotionalfitnessclass.com/
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want. This will enable us to take our work into places that can't afford it or who have limited access to data and technology.
Global suicide and crisis hotlines
If you or someone you know is suicidal, please use one of the numbers for your country. If someone is in immediate danger, please call your local emergency number (e.g. 911 in the US, 999 in the UK and 10111 in South Africa).

Aug 30, 2022
Rewiring your brain for better health
Aug 30, 2022
Aug 30, 2022
1hr 7 min
A fascinating conversation with Ben Ahrens who is a chronic illness recovery expert, TEDx Speaker, Neuroplasticity coach, and Co-founder of Re-origin. In this episode Matthew and Chantal have a conversation with him about his passion for healing and recovery, by using the basics of neuroplasticity to rewire the brain for optimal health and functioning.
Music: AudioCoffee from PixabayCredit: Masaru Emoto 'love and gratitude' crystal image
Episode links
Visit re-origin and discover a science-based, self-directed neuroplasticity training program for people who suffer from chronic conditions such as anxiety, depression and much more.
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join our 5th Place community: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an Emotional Fitness Class: https://emotionalfitnessclass.com/
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want. This will enable us to take our work into places that can't afford it or who have limited access to data and technology.

Aug 23, 2022
The five pillars of emotional fitness
Aug 23, 2022
Aug 23, 2022
37 min
Having been reminded that emotion regulation is key for overall emotional and mental wellbeing, Chantal and Matthew explore the seven elements of the model of emotional fitness that emerge out of the working definition of emotional fitness. They then cover the five pillars of emotional fitness that underpin their practical, holistic and multifaceted approach to becoming and remaining emotionally fit.
Music: Life is Strange by MADiRFANPoem: Solitude by Ella Wheeler Wilcox
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join the 5th Place mailing list: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an Emotional Fitness Class: https://emotionalfitnessclass.com/
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want. This will enable us to take our work into places that can't afford it or who have limited access to data and technology.

Aug 16, 2022
Youth and emotional fitness
Aug 16, 2022
Aug 16, 2022
38 min
The importance of building emotional fitness in the youth of today is made even more urgent by some scary global and local statistics regarding their mental and emotional wellbeing. Chantal and Matthew interrogate the current situation and the impact that lockdowns, social media and ongoing stigma have had. They explore the drive to find alternative, non-medicinal approaches to attend to depression and anxiety in youth and in the process discover an amazing correlation with their work.
Music: Milk Shake by Coma-MediaPoem: Stay strong by Leah Carr
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want. This will enable us to take our work into places that can't afford it.
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join the 5th Place mailing list: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an Emotional Fitness Class: https://courses.5th.place/courses/emotional-fitness-class
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions

Aug 9, 2022
Celebrating women and emotional fitness
Aug 9, 2022
Aug 9, 2022
34 min
National Women’s Day in South Africa inspired Matthew and Chantal to focus on and celebrate women and how being emotionally fit is of particular importance for women. They consider what is needed to start the journey, some particular challenges and how important it is for women to support women in this drive for equality and acceptance.
Music credit: Music credit: Liborio Conti - Amazing
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want. This will enable us to take our work into places that can't afford it.
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join the 5th Place mailing list: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an Emotional Fitness Class: https://courses.5th.place/courses/emotional-fitness-class
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions

Build your Emotional Fitness
Low levels of emotional fitness costs us in all areas of our life. It costs us in our relationships, it costs us in our health. It costs us in our ability to earn money. Low levels of emotional fitness costs your business because your employees are not present, productive or engaged.
Matthew & Chantal are emotional fitness experts, coaches and trainers. Their organisation, 5th Place, trains people, individuals, groups and organisations on how to become and remain emotionally fit.
Their Emotional Fitness training is based on the most recent developments in Neuroscience and utilises a pioneering body / mind process called Shape of Emotion.
Find out more at the 5th Place website - www.5th.place








