Emotions Matter. Really!
Chantal Dawtrey and Matthew Green, founders of 5th Place, explore everything about emotions, feelings, and what it is to become and remain mentally healthy and emotionally fit.
Podcast Description
Chantal Dawtrey and Matthew Green, founders of 5th Place, explore everything about emotions, feelings, and what it is to become and remain mentally healthy and emotionally fit.
Emotions Matter. Really!
Why do emotions matter? We are Chantal Dawtrey and Matthew Green, founders of 5th Place, where our mission is to make the world a better place by enabling the “how”. In this podcast we explore everything about emotions, feelings, and what it is to become and remain emotionally fit.
We believe that, although our emotions have been made the underdog to our analytical, rational minds, our emotions underpin everything we do and are. Emotions do matter. Emotions separate and connect us, they drive our behaviour and decision making, they allow us to thrive or barely survive.
We want to bring people back to the intelligence of their bodies, to connect to their feelings and, working with the information they offer, take steps to build their emotional fitness and make the world a better place. We want to change the narrative about mental health and emotional wellbeing. By advocating for increased awareness and understanding, we are determined to blow the lid off the taboo, misunderstanding and downright incorrect information about what makes us truly human.
Together we have combined decades of personal journeying, studying, working, research and guidance into our approach and process that we will share with you.
We interrogate the taboo around expressing and talking about emotions and feelings. We talk about all those things we want less of like stress, anxiety and burnout and the things we want more of, like sleep, calm, and self care.
We explore tools, tips and techniques for managing your emotions, including “Shape of Emotion”, the pioneering mind/body model, process and tool that we developed to regulate how you feel. We will examine what it means to be emotionally fit and why this equals a better quality of life.
We also cover stories from society through meaningful conversations with a wide range of people from all walks of life, about their work, their emotional challenges and their strategies to cope. We explore books, movies, stories, research and experiences that tap into what our emotions do for us, and how they could support us better rather than trip us up. And we also have a bit of fun.
Episodes

Aug 2, 2022
Aug 2, 2022
30 min
International Day of Friendship inspired a conversation about friends and how good for our emotional fitness having good friends is. Chantal and Matthew talk about what makes a good friend, how friends can come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime, and that it takes conscious intentional effort to build and maintain a network of good friends.
Music credit: Warm Memories by Keys of Moon
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want.
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join the 5th Place mailing list: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an Emotional Fitness Class: https://courses.5th.place/courses/emotional-fitness-class
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions

Jul 26, 2022
Connecting to build genuine relationships
Jul 26, 2022
Jul 26, 2022
37 min
James Smith is the VP for an innovative job platform for healthcare workers in Canada called Caring Support. An advocate of emotional intelligence, James absolutely loves to network, be active in the community, and build genuine relationships. In this podcast episode Chantal & Matthew have a connecting conversation with James about his passion and drives.
Music credit: Liborio Conti - Wonder
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want.
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join the 5th Place mailing list: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an Emotional Fitness Class: https://courses.5th.place/courses/emotional-fitness-class
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions

Jul 18, 2022
Taking a leaf out of Mandela’s book
Jul 18, 2022
Jul 18, 2022
43 min
In the week of International Nelson Mandela Day, Chantal and Matthew explore the lessons from Nelson Mandela’s life as told in his book Long Walk to Freedom. Nelson Mandela characterised enormous emotional resilience and was a great example of being emotionally fit. Events and quotes are picked out and discussed as examples of his leadership, wisdom and resonance with the work that Chantal and Matthew do.
Music credit: Liborio Conti - Africa
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want.
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join the 5th Place mailing list: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally fit positively impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an Emotional Fitness Class: https://courses.5th.place/courses/emotional-fitness-class
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions

Jul 12, 2022
Connecting through new conversations
Jul 12, 2022
Jul 12, 2022
29 min
Conversations connect us. Inspired by the inaugural New Conversations Day started by Awkward Silence, an Australian company that advocates for more meaningful, inspiring conversations, Chantal and Matthew have a conversation about what inspires them, what makes for a great conversation and what to do when conversations become difficult.
Music credit: madiRFAN - Both of Us via Pixabay
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want.
Links of interest
Awkward Silence: https://awkwardsilence.com.au/about
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join the 5th Place mailing list: https://5th.place/
Being emotionally unfit impacts your mental alertness, decision making ability, leadership capability and relational competence. Become emotionally fitter by regularly attending an Emotional Fitness Class: https://courses.5th.place/courses/emotional-fitness-class
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions

Jul 5, 2022
Forgiveness and emotional fitness
Jul 5, 2022
Jul 5, 2022
29 min
Hello! Hello! Chantal and Matthew are back with their second season of Emotions Matter. Really!
In recognition of Global Forgiveness Day, they consider what forgiveness is, why it is important and how to take the, sometimes difficult, steps to be more forgiving by reviewing the work of Robert Enright, psychologist and professor of educational psychology and long time researcher of forgiveness. Considering that their country was saved through forgiveness, they honour, too, the man that modelled that quality for all of us: Nelson Mandela.
Music credit: Desitalk from Pixabay, Life is strange
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want.
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join the 5th Place mailing list: https://5th.place/
To experience a recorded Emotional Fitness Class: https://courses.5th.place/courses/emotional-fitness-class
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions

May 24, 2022
Choose love, always
May 24, 2022
May 24, 2022
35 min
For this the twelfth and final episode of the first season of Emotions Matter. Really! Chantal and Matthew explore the C of their ABC of life teachings. Choose love, always. In line with their theme for the year - It starts with me - they delve deeper into what it means to love yourself.
Music credit: Olexy from Pixabay, Morning garden acoustic chill
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want.
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join the 5th Place mailing list: https://5th.place/
To experience a recorded Emotional Fitness Class: https://courses.5th.place/courses/emotional-fitness-class
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/courses/how-to-master-your-emotions

May 17, 2022
Bring the light
May 17, 2022
May 17, 2022
20 min
During a visit to the Big Tree in Hoekwil, South Africa, Chantal and Matthew drew inspiration to develop the Act like a Tree principles and the ABC of life teachings that grew out of that. This week they explore the B of the ABC - Bring the light.
What they mean by bringing the light, why it is important and how everyone can do it.
Music credit: Lesfm, Pixabay
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want.
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join the 5th Place mailing list: https://5th.place/
To experience a recorded Emotional Fitness Class: https://courses.5th.place/courses/emotional-fitness-class
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/

May 10, 2022
Act like a tree
May 10, 2022
May 10, 2022
30 min
Last year we (Chantal and Matthew) went on a road trip to George, a town, in the Southern Coast of South Africa, to visit Tristan, Matthew’s son who he had not seen for over a year. The trip was full of learning and discovery and reconnection. On the last day they met the Big Tree. This meeting was important and impactful. It led to the Act like a Tree principles as well as the ABC’s of Life. A year later, Matthew is back in George with Tristan.
Chantal and Matthew use this opportunity to reflect on that trip, the learning and growing that has happened over this time in relation to the Act like a Tree principles and the ABC of Life. Tristan joins them for this episode.
Music credit: CeeaDidIt, Pixabay
Act like a tree principles
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value by making a donation or paying what you want.
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join the 5th Place mailing list: https://5th.place/
To experience a recorded Emotional Fitness Class: https://courses.5th.place/courses/emotional-fitness-class
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/

May 3, 2022
Battling burnout in an always-on work life
May 3, 2022
May 3, 2022
32 min
Burnout has seen an alarming increase and although it may appear that burnout is a 21st century ailment, it actually has ancient roots. Chantal and Matthew look at where the concept of burnout has originated from, what the symptoms of burnout are and what causes it. Some essential strategies to avoid as well as recover from burnout are discussed.
Music credit: John Kensy Music, Pixabay
Pay it forward
If you got value from this episode, we invite you to match this value b y making a donation or paying what you want.
Links of interest
The End of Burnout - a book by Jonathan Malesic.
Episode links
To stay connected and up to date about our work, join the 5th Place mailing list: https://5th.place/
To experience an online Emotional Fitness Class: https://courses.5th.place/courses/emotional-fitness-class
Learn more about Shape of Emotion on our Master your Emotions mini audio-course: https://courses.5th.place/

Apr 26, 2022
Freedom and emotional fitness
Apr 26, 2022
Apr 26, 2022
26 min
It is Freedom Day in South Africa, a public holiday that commemorates the first democratic elections held in 1994. Matthew and Chantal consider what freedom means to them and what not having freedom can do to one’s mental and emotional wellbeing. They look at different freedoms and the responsibilities they come with. Finally they address how one can be free from one’s own self imposed limitations and beliefs.
Music credit: Liborio Conti - Inspire
Links of interest
And Still I Rise - A Book of Poems by Maya Angelou
Episode links
To experience a live Emotional Fitness Class visit https://5th.place/5th-place-offerings/emotional-fitness-class/emotional-fitness-class-on-insight-timer/
To purchase a video version of an Emotional Fitness Class visit https://courses.5th.place/courses/emotional-fitness-class.
Stay connected with Matthew & Chantal by visiting https://5th.place/.

Build your Emotional Fitness
Low levels of emotional fitness costs us in all areas of our life. It costs us in our relationships, it costs us in our health. It costs us in our ability to earn money. Low levels of emotional fitness costs your business because your employees are not present, productive or engaged.
Matthew & Chantal are emotional fitness experts, coaches and trainers. Their organisation, 5th Place, trains people, individuals, groups and organisations on how to become and remain emotionally fit.
Their Emotional Fitness training is based on the most recent developments in Neuroscience and utilises a pioneering body / mind process called Shape of Emotion.
Find out more at the 5th Place website - www.5th.place








